Glenn Beck, who along with Sarah Palin has showed incredible ability at mobilizing conservative Christians, may have formed a partnership with James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family and Family Talk.
On his radio show recently, Beck said he and Dobson plan to work together on the Black Robe Regiment, a new politcal action group dedicated to conservative Christian politics. Beck said several conservative Christian leaders he wanted to be part of Black Robe passed, fearing they’d “lose half (of their) congregation,” Beck said. But Dobson wants on board.
Dobson “looked me in the eye … and he said: ‘I will start tomorrow,’” Beck said on his radio show.
But how long will the unlikely partnership last? After all, Beck is a Mormon, and Dobson is a conservative evangelical. Some conservative evangelicals don’t believe Mormons are even Christians.
James Dobson
Dobson is about as Republican as it gets and has supported in the past pastors preaching politics from the pulpit.
For more info on the Black Robe Regiment, read this Christianity Today story here.
Are Beck and Dobson a good match? Please weigh in below.
I can see why this would work! Christians and Mormons are right on target when working together against the immoral decline in our society. And the genius of both of these men is amazing. We welcome the Mormons in the fight.
Dobson and Beck’s man-crush for each other goes way back. Remember the FOTF interview with Beck that Dobson had to pull because his followers believed he was supporting Mormonism? The evangelical drumbeat against Beck has already begun as evidenced by the OneNewsNow article that appeared on Monday. It scolded Christians for rallying around a Mormon. As Beck becomes more popular and evangelical leaders get jealous or feel threatened, I expect the antiMormon drumbeat to build.
these 2 fascists deserve each other
The serpent said to the recently envenomated man, “You knew I was a snake when you picked me up, why are you complaining?” Now, you have to decide who was who in this story.
Is our politics about religion or values? The Christian Right needs to figure out what Dr. Dobson has apparently figured out, “by their fruits ye shall know them”. Let’s stop fighting behind our own lines and get straight about what we need to accomplish. The Mormons believe they are ‘right’ just as the evangelicals believe they are ‘right’, but at least they’re smart enough to join forces for the political good of all.
According the tenets and declaration of the Christian faith, 18th Century Mormon Founder Joseph Smith qualifies as a False Prophet.
It is not that some Christians think Mormons are not Christians it is a statement of faith.
Founder Joseph Smith claimed to have had a vision of an angel named Moroni who he said told him the New Testament Gospel written 2,000 years ago is a fake. The angel gave him another gospel where Jesus is a married man and not the Savior of the whole world whose sins paid for all who believe in him by faith.
This classifies as heresy and Smith & his Mormon followers heretics according to the Christian bible.
Shame on Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Dobson for selling out the teachings of the real Christian Church’s theology that teaches that Jesus died on the Cross as payment for all sins of whosoever will call on him in faith. Although Christian denominations differ on the minor they come together in agreement on this essential fact and on the death, burial and bodily Resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus!
Hypocrisy abounds by allowing this issue to be muddled they have confessed the real message of the Gospel and souls are at stake.
For a genuine Christian it is the difference between eternal life and death, Heaven and Hell. Judas and loyalty!
By aligning themselves with Mormon Glenn Beck who evangelizing and talks about God alot Dobson has allowed the message of the Christian bible to be confused. There is a world of difference in Mormonism and Christianity.
You will never see a Cross above a Mormon Church or even inside of it.
The Cross of Christ as payment for sins and forgiveness for all who receive Jesus by faith in this, is the key message of Christianity.
Mormons do not believe in the key message of what Christ it is all about
and what he came to do. According to the bible this makes them Heretics not fellow believers!
To Richard B according to the Christian bible authentic Christians are forbidden to be yoked together in relationships with false prophets and people who promote another gospel.
In Christian bookstores you will Mormon, Islam lumped in the section together with other Religions and Cult and Different Religions (not Christianity)!
Mormon Founder Joseph Smith changed the key message of the Christian text and Gospels! Paul the Apostle said whoever does this should be cursed and avoided!
Conservative Christian Evangelicals who deny this and give a platform to anyone that denies this are other Frauds or wolves in sheeps clothing.
You can Google the blog “The Slaughter of the Sheep” on why Christians cannot mix religions with people who deny Jesus as Savior and Lord. It is not enough to just say you believe in Jesus as a good teacher or Prophet because the bible states, “even demons believe Jesus is real and tremble!”
according the Christian bible.
Here is what Mormons Teach:
Founder Joseph Smith had a vision in the mid-1800′s that Christians did not have the real truth or facts. An angel named Moroni gave him another newer version of the bible that replaces the facts in the Christian bible.
God has a physical body and so does his wife.
Smith taught that Mormons were allowed multiple young wives,
the more sexual union and children the better you are able to obtain god-status
No Trinity. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate gods. People can become gods.
Jesus was created by sexual union between God and Mary.
Jesus was married.
Jesus’ death does not atone for all sin.
Baptism for the dead.
Dark skinned people were not granted Mormon privileges until 1978. Originally Founder Joseph Smith declared blacks as equal to animals without souls therefore they could not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven
Jesus and Satan were spirit brothers.
THE CHRISTIAN ESSENTIALS:
Jesus eternally existed with God & The Holy Spirit as one God but as a distinct member & personality of The Godhead. (See Gospel of John)
Jesus is the Sinless atoning sacrificial Lamb who freely paid for the sins of those who receive Him into their hearts by faith
All have sinned and fallen short (missed the mark of perfection)
No one can earn Salvation or eternal life (and Heaven. It is a free gift.
Jesus has given the world the “Dispensation of Grace”. Grace mean unearned and undeserved Favor because of the work of Jesus by dying on the Cross of Calvary mankind was redeemed and bought back to God.
Adam fell and lost our right relationship with God but Jesus reconciled people back to God by paying the price for us to be forgiven. Jesus took our punishment we deserved.
Before the foundation of the world began God fore knew that Adam would fall into rebellion against him when given free will. God had The Plan of Salvation to send Jesus to a Virgin born into the world as a human in a physical body to redeem and save mankind, pay for their sins and reconcile them back to God.
Jesus is the one and only Savior of the World for all who believe in him and make him there Lord. There is no other bridge or way back to God.
God is self-caused, self-existent and complete in himself. Therefore no wife or sex is needed in heaven.
Jesus died, was buried and physically rose again Third day.
All in him will also rise after death.
There is no baptism after death. Baptism does not save you
it is to prove identification with Christ.
Jesus said you must be born again. Belief that he historically lived as a good person, teacher or prophet is not enough.
Jesus is the Promised Messiah of the Torah (Old Testament)
He is the described in Isaiah 53 that the Messiah would be smitten and rejected by men but wounded and bruised as payment for sins.
The only marriage in Heaven will be between Jesus and the ones who have made him their Lord & Savior. (see book of Revelation)
This will be a Spiritual marriage called The Marriage Supper of the Lamb. Christians will be in union with Christ as joint heirs and reign with Christ eternally.
Dobson ” He’s okay, he believes in morality, lets not let our doctrinal differences get in the way, as long he’s for making laws that will stop people from drinking, dancing and fornicating, and OK:s the nuking of any country that threatens Israel, will receive entrance into the kingdom of heaven”
Beck: “Thanks Jim, your moral character will earn from god your own planet to be in charge of “
Charles, do you have any PROOF of what you are saying? It is liars like you that embarass every liberal fleabag out there.
Some of you guys need to get on to ‘religious’ discussion sites instead of political discussion sites. You sound like the Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes and Zealots!
If the Jews and the Mormons can come to terms about the Mormon practice of ‘Baptisms for the Dead’ why can’t you stop talking religion and start talking politics. Your comments are fodder for the left to demonstrate how radical the right can be. You radicalize and damage conservative politics by turn it into a religous discussion and that scares everyone.
I have been a devout Mormon for 42 years. In the past all the chit-chat about Mormons not being Christian was nothing more than a silly nuisance. Now it has grown into a real political stumbling block. Christians everywhere, including Mormons, are unable to unite as a political power house in the interest of promoting traditional Judaeo-Christian values because evangelicals are too hung up on whether Mormons are Christian.
Enough of this talk already. Let’s unite in the common interest of promoting traditional values. I assure you evangelicals that I believe in that Jesus Christ who atoned for the sins of the world in garden and on the cross, just as you do.
Consider also that while I believe that some of the evangelical tenets are incorrect, I do not therefore conclude that evangelicals are not Christian. I accept that they are Christian, depsite what I perceive as incorrect beliefs.
2 cents.
Dave C. – If you think it’s just been a silly nuisance, you haven’t spent much time in the South. The Southern Baptists have warned (very loudly) for years about the dangers of Mormonism. I still have the video “The Mormon Puzzle” and its workbook which the Southern Baptists put out in 1998 and still push today. There are many, many people in the South who will openly tell you that Mormons are a cult and nothing more. Personally, I don’t subscribe to that belief but do not underestimate the Southerners mistrust of the Mormon faith. More white evangelicals believe that Mormons are not Christians (45%) than believe Mormons are Christians (40%). The dog may realize it needs you to feed it so that it will grow stronger. But, eventually that dog will decide it’s strong enough and then it will bite you.
Ugh, as per usual, the leftists spin this story off topic.
The topic is Glenn Beck and James Dobson joining forces to fight the conservative fight together.
Sign me up.
Spydra – Try reading the blog. The author himself points out that some evangelicals don’t believe Mormons are Christians. But, hey, if my Church was that bigoted then I wouldn’t want people discussing it either. That’s why I’m glad to be in a Church that acknowledges Mormons are Christians.
Having failed to transform the culture through his partnership with the Republican party (surprise, surprise), Dobson apparently figures he’ll try the Mormons now.
Mormons are not Christian. There is absolutely nothing in common between the two.
Mormons borrow from our vocabulary and redifine the terminology.
Their god was a man who ascended to godhood by his good works…came to earth, had sex with Mary.
They believe in an inummerable amount of gods…anyone can become a god in their religion.
That is as far removed from Christianity as Satan is from Christ, who by the way happens to be brothers in the beliefs.
Christianity and Mormonism are mortal enemies.
Anyone claiming to be a Christian and believes that the two can be united is deceived.
As an ex-Mormon, I am appalled at evangelical Christians that are partnering with Glenn Beck, a Mormon. He teaches great things about history and politics, but he is spiritually lost based on his own admission to being a Mormon.
Mormonism does not line up with the fundamentalsof the Christian faith, bu they want to be thought of a being part of mainstream Christianity. Glenn Beck’s success will no doubt promote many undiscerning people to embrace Mormonism while many believing Christian leaders link arms with him.
Perhaps a better response would be for them to witness to him, to help him see the errors of his belief according to scripture. The LDS faith is a works oriented religion, they have extra-Biblical scripture, a “living prophet,” and do baptisms for the dead amongst othe things. Most are good, moral people trying to raise their children in a godly environment, but they are being deceived. In the temple, a movie used to be shown making fun of a pastor. I wonder if the LDS church would be willing to show this to all the pastors that are lining up behind Beck? They mock this pastor as not having all the truth as the LDS Church supposedly has. Most of the temple rites are purely occultic and certainly not God honoring.
Will the pastors of America please wake up and smell the coffee??? Are we now going to have a “Mormons and Evangelicals Together” document???
Mormons may talk the talk using “Christianese,” but keep in mind, THEY USE A DIFFERENT DICTIONARY! Words and phrases we use means Biblical truths to us as believers; to Mormons they often mean something very different. ie, “born again” to us means we have been convicted of our sinful state and recognize our need of a Savior, and accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior thru faith alone. Our good works will not gain us entry into heaven. We are saved by faith alone, by Christ alone.
Mormons, on the other hand, believe being born again is their baptism. They cannot get into heaven without it along with other good works, including temple attendance, ten percent tithes, etc. And they believe that man is basically good!