Ted Haggard sounds quite visionary in his recent Twitter comments. He predicts the end of the Religious Right and the start of what he calls the Love Reformation. He’s also working on a book proposal about the love reformation he sees
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Another theme of Haggard’s tweets is his questioning what he sees as judgment in churches.
“I thank God he forgives me, saves me, redeems me, fills me, and loves me,” he says. “I thank God he doesn’t do it the way most churches do.”
“THE GREAT DECEPTION: On the outside of our building, we say we are a hospital, but when people get inside, they see it’s a courthouse.”
In this tweet, he wonders if the secular world has something to teach churches about judging others. “Could it be that those who don’t attend our churches are more insightful than those who do? Maybe they should reach us?”
Haggard also waxes prophetic in his tweets:
“I believe we are at the end of what church historians will, in the future, call the Billy Graham era.”
“I believe we are also nearing the end of the ‘Religious Right’ representing Evangelicalism.”
“My prayer is that over the next 10 years, there will be a Love Reformation and the Gospel will retake the Bible-believing church.”
Ha! I am a first commenter. . . well. . let me say. . . Go TED!. . . It is wonderful to see someone stick up for those of us who have been judged, looked down upon, and made to feel less than. . . there is a HUGE constituency of bible believing Christians who have left the church because of the way the “pretty people’ treated them. . . Thank God for St. James Church. . . Thank God for Ted Haggard
Cheers,
Randy
He said fills me… That’s funny…
I don’t disagree with Ted here.
He’s found a niche and the sheep have followed.
I’ve got to him credit though. He’ll make a fortune and that’s the name of the game. It always has been.
The Gazette really should find a different pastor to report on. I am sure there are a few out there with something MUCH better to share with the world than this lying sleeze bag of scum.
Haggard farts and the gagzette reports, “it must be something he ate.”
He is SO right to want to restore the Gospels and to stop judgmentalism. He’s obviously a brilliant man with a connection to God, despite all the problems he’s had. I wish him and his family all the best. He must have been through a great deal of turmoil and pain. I hope he and his family can heal from all that.
Tired of hearing about him. Try reporting on a real “preacher/pastor” that preaches and teaches the actual word of God not what people want to hear to get more money in their pockets.
Ok, for all you doubters, I can testify that Ted is truly repentant of his sins (which aren’t any worse than mine), that he has a genuine burden to let the world know that true Christianity is about love and merge, not judgment. We have judged people whose sins were not the same as ours (for example we judge gays, but we don’t judge the gossip in our churches) far too long.
We all know John 3:16, but keep on reading to verse 17: “For God did NOT send his son into the world to judge the world, but to save the world thru him”. And how does He save us? By unconditionally loving us, forgiving us, and allowing us to share His life.
Okay, I don’t like what Ted did, but maybe he’s on the level here. Anyway, I’m willing to give him a shot at some social redemption. I would like to hear a public apology to the gay community that has been so terribly disparraged by him in the past.
Okay, thanks Ed I believe him now. Can you explain why he has these questions and answers on his website when there is evidence that proves otherwise?
2. Have you ever had sexual contact with anyone at New Life Church other than your wife?
Answer: “No.”
3. Have you ever groomed anyone at New Life church for sexual contact with you other than your wife?
Answer: “No.”
How about the young kid who was paid off by New Life? I guess he doesn’t consider all that happened between them to be of a sexual nature. Okay, I guess that clears it up for me. Thanks again for your heartfelt testimony.
We all are sinners and maybe it was his fall that opened his eyes to even the sin in his own heart. I left church 8 years ago because of self righteous hypocrites, judging me on everything but they did not know my heart as well as no one but God Knows Ted’s heart. He who is without sin cast the first stone christian or non-christian. Yes, he was found out, but how can anyone say his heart is unpure? Seems to me christian and non christian is judging and taking God’s place, be careful lest you fall. Have a wonderful day.
There’s always mention of “the book.” I like what I hear Haggard saying, but then (for me anyway) it feels like it’s all just another lead up to another book..and then the guest shots- Oprah!- and- the View!
Just preach, teach- let somebody else write a book in a year or so. Refine and define what this new movement may be like for a few years, then write YOUR book.
Whether he’s on the level or not, this would be a good direction for him – and the church and current religious right – to go in. If he can make it happen, I would be all for it.
With that said, I am not going to buy his book.
I read Mike Jone’s book. I read Gayle Haggard’s book. I would read Ted Haggard’s book. They’ll know we are Christian’s by our love by our love. yes they’ll know we are Christian’s by our love.
I hope this isn’t another example of the old adage, ” There is no such thing as bad advertising”. If this is just another marketing ploy we will know shortly by the extend of the seeking of publicity. People who try to profit from their righteousness are no different than people who profit from their sinfulness and neither are work for God.
The only question I have (and this goes out to Mark Barna also), how do you people stand the smell of having your heads stuck up there?
It’s easy for them to simply morph into Tea Baggers. They were never Christians anyway. Just bigots. And looking for a vehicle to express their hate. Whichever works, they’ll be happy with.
Christian Leaders are for the most part closeted gays and pedophiles anyway, thus their homophobia, but I have to give Ted credit as almost all christians would have just gone into the denial and delusion that the Christ Cult is famous for. The love, acceptance, and non judgement he is talking about is not christian but Pagan. The Holy Bable is full of the barbarity of the worshippers of the Demon God of the Jews. Wake up Ted, before they murder you. There is only one Goddess and she is the one of love and acceptence.
Yes, he will spread his love of other men and illegal drugs. How can anyone take this diseased hypocrite seriously? He should sell used cars or shares in the Brooklyn Bridge.
They will be back. If not in next Republican pre-packaged Party, ………………….. in other Countries. Sorry Ted…………………………… I hope the Shiites, Sunnis and Israelis don’t start fighting over here.
Ever get the feeling someone or something is trying to thin the herd?
I agree with Ted and I am ready for a love revolution……….
That’s nice for Ted and his fellow bible thumpers, but this douche is totally irrelevant to the rest of society.
What an a**hole. he’s looking to profit from religitards any way he can. Write a book telling ALL THE SINNERS that god forgives them? HOW NICE OF HIM.
Carl I’m with you but unfortunately the superjajority of the world are religitards.
There is no god. Get over it. Religion was created to control people through fear. “What, you haven’t heard about god? You should be glad I found you, now I can save you from burning in hell for all eternity after you die; all you have to do is GIVE ME YOUR MONEY!”
‘supermajority’
damn keyboard.
So apparently the Right Wing are not “True Christians”.. It’s funny how using the “inerrant” word of god from the multiple “inerrant” bibles that they can figure out who is the “True Christian”.
And if Haggard is it – then why don’t ALL Christians line up behind.
Or maybe the inerrant word isn’t inerrant.
Maybe it’s all errant. That would work. ALL atheists agree – there is no god. We agree on the same creed, bible, church, whatever because it’s a null set.
Finally someone is honest but still wed to the fundamentalism that is so disabeling. Its time to admit that the writers of the BIBLE
It is time to admit that the Bible writers stumbled upon the truth occasionally and that the Holy Bible is not the complete truth. St Paul’s form and understanding won out by using violence i.e. murder, torture and fear. Occasionally during the Catholic rule in Europe discenters would arise and would be called heretics. sadly protestants accepted much that was not true and have furthered misunderstanding. God is Love only love. There is absolutely no judgement in God. Christians are in error when they believe they alone go to heaven. In truth no one is lost its impossible when you really know what God is.
As a gay man, (or deviant male homosexual in the evangelical christianoid world), I find this really refreshing and a surprise coming from ‘ol Rev. Ted. He’s still a gay man in complete denial as far as I’m concerned…but maybe this is his way of slowly coming to terms of who is really is. I’d love to see these tax evading, money hungry mega-churches go out of business and revert to what they originally were: cineplexes and supermarkets! Wouldn’t that be just great?!?? Ohhhh, I can’t wait!
What do you know, he got it.
You’re all morons, there is no god, get over it and evolve, please, you’re dragging the rest of us intelligent people through garbage trying to prove the unprovable falsity of an eternal being.
You people don’t even know that the catholic church (and especially the Roman catholic church) was trimmed of all of Jebus’ teaching by Constantine when he converted to Catholocism. he brought all the bishops in and any that preached opposite what he wanted were defrocked.
None of you know that all the same tales told of jebus were also told of Mithra, an Egyptian god 400 years prior to jebus (400 b.c.) who ALSO…was born of a virgin…walked on water…healed the sick…had 12 followers…was executed by his own government…and rose from the dead 3 days later. Oh yeah he was also born…*drumroll please!* on THE WINTER SOLSTICE, Dec 21st.
“If triangles had a god, he’d have 3 sides.” -unknown
“stop being stupid.” -me
well how about just educating the masses that All Religion is false and the golden rule is the only religion we need.
why dont you start here.
http://www.varchive.org/itb/index.htm
Look pal god may forgive you, but I still think you’re a disgusting, hypocritical, drug addicted, self loathing, closeted queer (not that there’s anything wrong with being gay).
You hide behind god to commit your sins like many evangelical “christians”. You love act may fool some of your flock, but most people are going to see right through it and see that money is what you are really after.
Peace
I hope Ted is correct about the religious right. They are some of the most hateful folks we have ever heard and seen. You try to talk to them about who the Prince of Peace really is and they totally ignore the Sermon on the Mount or what it truly means to “Love thy Neighbor”.
They have corrupted Christianity to the point that a majority of folks don’t even go to church. Why should they? All they get is hate, judgment and republican politics. Again I say, if they truly followed the Prince of Peace they would see how wrong this train of thought really is.
Finally, does this mean that the south will finally shut up????
love revolution — It was try already, it was called the 60′s
Good for Ted. I hope he’s right. I’d love to see Christianity be about Jesus and love again- unlike now where many of the followers follow the G O P instead of G O D.
We do not need another revolution for the Church, what we need is an out pouring of the Holy Spirit that brings people to the alters and to repentances. We need a move of the Holy Spirit and the Preaching of The Word God that changes people lives.
John 3:16-21 (New International Version)
16″For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”
Ed do not forget to add the rest of that section of passages. It is an easy habit to leave parts of the passage because they may not fit the idead we are trying to present.
Oh, when the headline said “Haggard” I thought they’s talkin’ ’bout Merle.
he is kind of right…and kind of gay. love the new closet ted…and that;s not judgment, i’m just saying. i think every gay man knows haggard is still repressing his inner mary…to start a new church dedicated to what, honesty? integrity? the right wing evolving is what we all wish for…
That is some of the best commentary I’ve heard re “the Church” as I’ve encountered it in my 66 years. I hope that it may be so.
This is a man who has wakened. He wouldn’t even be able to think those things, let alone say them, had he not. Now, he will begin his life’s work, all was a preliminary up to that point.
In addition, I’d like to see him comment on the hidden political prosletyzing [sp?] which has gone on in the
church of the Religious Right movement in the last 25 years. How does that line up with tax exemption for churches?Speakers whose agenda is clearly and solely political have come to churches and membership told to be quiet about the event and content.
I will watch with interest.
“love revolution”
I guess that’s what ted calls meth and a handjob from a rentboy. David vitter, larry craig, dick armey, and all the other gay republicans probably agree with him.
“My prayer is that over the next 10 years, there will be a Love Reformation and the Gospel will retake the Bible-believing church.”
1.What part of Prayer don’t you guys understand.
2.You said Ted is “predicting”
3.Ted said he was praying, that means HOPE.
4.Maybe someone else should be praying also!
5. Repentance is for all of us
6. Love just knocked @ someone’s door with a do not disturb
sign on the door handle…Jeshuah isn’t the maid my freinds
So Haggard ventures on more opinion. What does it matter since the very concept of a male defined deity sitting on a heavenly throne is more at home in the action hero domain of Marvel Comics. In a cosmos of multiple entropies there can be no guiding hand. Buy yourselves a cheap telescope and ponder.
The Billy Graham Era. Many so called pillars fell, while others still stand. There must be a reason why.
All of you jesus freaks need to get a goddamn life and read a book! get a clue! learn what a LOGICAL FALLACY is, read up on the history of organized religion and its manipulative purposes. You are all ethical relativists. Everyone on earth is.
Morals are a product of society. -Aristotle
If every member of the Christian right was subjected to the same ostricisation, humilation and degredation they inflicted on Ted Haggard (not entierly without reason) there would be no Christians left. Pray their religion turns on each one of them for even a day and the would would be a more forgiving place.
Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
2 Timothy 3
3Without natural affection..5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away… 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.. 13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
ted, the Gospel says from such turn away. You want to get back to the Gospel, then do so and stop claiming that your old chuch, or any other is judgemental. It’s not being judgemental to obey the Gospel. It’s called obedience since you don’t know.
I think Ted is right.
Sometimes life’s experiences can help people become more compassionate. I hope that’s what has happened to Haggard.
geeze… same contents different package. i didn’t buy his b.s. the first time, i sure won’t buy it again. Religion is a mental illness and this guy is only slightly less ill than the likes of his neighbor ‘focus on the freak show’ Dobson and his associate ‘closeted in the dark’ Fred Phelps, not to mention ‘Freddie Kruger is my role model’ Pat Robertson
I will only believe Pastor Haggard has had an epiphany when he takes a vow of poverty. Otherwise, seems this is just more finding a way to get money from gullible parishioners.
P.S. I don’t think Billy Graham is half the bigot Haggard and Pat Robertson have been. They all need a lesson in humility, IMHO.
I predict the weather on Sep 16 will be partly cloudy. The stock market will be up 23 points that day.
I guess we all can make predictions..
It’s crazy to see how one acts when they’re on the other side of judgment. For years, Ted was the poster boy against homosexuals and I’m sure many other things, but now after he was caught with another man, he’s now the poster boy against people judging other people.
I grew up judging people as well, which is how I can understand the place where Ted was, as the poster boy against all the things he preached against. He just took a huge fall because he was in the public eye. It’s very easy to judge others, which is why I highly encourage others to learn about cultures, religions, lifestyles, etc… outside of their own. Most people believe what they’re told growing up whether it’s their religious beliefs, which lifestyles are right or wrong, etc…, but to see it played out right in front of me by Ted is eye-opening all over again.
You’ve come so far!!! I am so happy that your experience has helped you grow so spiritually. This gay man hopes you are right about the changes in the churches. May you and your prosper in your new mission as a true healer of souls.
Open your pockets folks! Haggard has found a new way to rip you off, just like Billy Graham has all these years! A fool and their money will be soon parted, says PT Barnum.
The bible warns of false prophets. I think Mr. Haggard falls under that heading.
I will renounce that post if he preaches EXACTLY what the bible says, and not HIS interpretation of the bible.
He is correct about judgementalism. It drives those who need to hear the message away from it.
Everyone needs to pay attention to what Mr. Haggerty does in the future. If he is a true follower of God, and man of God, then he will never own more than he needs. I’ve heard both sides of the having money argument, and while the bible never says you can NOT be wealthy, it does say “give away all you have and follow me”.
I didn’t make that up. it’s in the bible.
Here is another. It is from 1 Timothy verse 6. Please read it as I fear it describes Mr. Haggerty to a T.
God bless him and his
Ted is brilliant. (He’s also a twisted liar, thief, and hypocrite, but I digress…) For so many years, he took money from people by pretending to be a shining example of what God wants from us. He didn’t stop the charade until he was caught. Now, after a civilized time in hiding, he will go back to work, taking money from people as a shining example of what God DOESN’T want from us. He can twist his God as he twists his followers. He is a brilliant con-artist. Those who give him their cash because they can’t think for themselves are getting what they deserve – absolutely nothing.
So many here are caught up with the fact that judgement should be the lords and we should leave old Ted alone….that would be the absolute truth, but what of “I am my brothers keeper”, “treat others as you would want to be treated”, seems these prophecies were simply set aside for the weak minded that has so weak a testimony they need this pitiful human to live through…so sad. But heh, religion is a human term, human reaction to human words, faith is truth, this is something Ted Haggard will never truly realize, or ever let into his heart, because he is a natural man, of this world, therefore in no way should be followed in word, thought, or for the lack of better terms religion. he is about material wealth, material possesions, and receiving of others money for his world…..greed, lies…and disception…no Ted I won’t judge you, you are your own worse enemy…good for you and for those fools that believe in YOU…not the LORD !!!!!
I see now Ted Haggard is a HERO to all gay people in the world. But NOW he is doing it devoid of God’s word for his own paycheck.
how the hell can ya believe this guy??? he like baker, swaggert and the rest of the phonies who preach love, respect, honor the family and then go out and molest little boys, have gay meetings or pick up hookers….. wake up you stupid fools… these guys are getting rich and feedin you a bunch of bull… colorado springs bible thumpers must be hungry for crap
Ted…My book, “McChurched: 300 Million Served and Still Hungry” deals with the judgmentalism of the Christian Right…I have been expecting you to begin to see the Kingdom of God, present and victorious…Be patient; give it time; let God unfold His rich wisdom…
As one who has grown up in the church and has been elected several times to political office, I part company with your thesis that the Christian Right is on the way out…The religious right crucified Jesus; the Christian Right will crucify any Evangelical who stands for the Sermon on the Mount and the presence now of the Kingdom of God…Once you get that message into your head, you find no compelling reason to send money to people out to change the world…If there is to be a persecution of the people of God in America, it won’t come from the left…It will come from the Christian Right…
Read Paul’s doxology in Roman 11…”God paths are beyond finding out.” The Christian Right has fugured out God’s paths, and God help anyone who objects!
Rev. Stan Moody, Ph.D.
honestly, who cares what you think? I don’t..just be quiet, go away, and do your church, you exhaust many of us with your need to be in the press.
Romans 11 (New King James Version)
Romans 11
Israel’s Rejection Not Total
1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “LORD, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”?[a] 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.[c] But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:
“ God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”[d]
9 And David says:
“ Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”[e]
Israel’s Rejection Not Final
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,[f] if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is written:
“ The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”[h]
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
34 “ For who has known the mind of the LORD?
Or who has become His counselor?”[i]
35 “ Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”[j]
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
The Christian Right has fugured out God’s paths, and God help anyone who objects!
Rev. Stan Moody, Ph.D.
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It is said that Mr. Moddy, does not understand God’s Word.
Haggard made these statements, “Could it be that those who don’t attend our churches are more insightful than those who do? Maybe they should reach us?” again, ““THE GREAT DECEPTION: On the outside of our building, we say we are a hospital, but when people get inside, they see it’s a courthouse.”
I consider these a blanket statements, he didn’t elaborate with greater detail, give the reader an example of this insight.
Tom, his insight is the fact he lost his church, his money, and the respect of the Christian Community. He is angry because he is demanding that the Christian Community show him respect. But we are holding him accountable for his action.
From the beginning Ted….. from the beginning!!!
Remember Star? Well, she took care of your finances when you first started your church and she said; “you had money to take care of an old lady” but you chose not to and gave her a loaf of bread…
REMEMBER TED? I do…the truth is coming out! The old lady asked to help her pay a utility bill about $100.00, but Ted told Star to tell the old lady that they “DIDN’T have the MONEY”… LIES….LIES…LIES….because Star (Who was in charge of finances said there was enough money to pay for the bill)…. LIES TED….come on Ted….tell the truth…. (Liers will NOT enter the kingdom of God)…remember…you didn’t help that old lady pay her bill when you had the money….(Choices in life) help us obey God and or disobey God…. choose today who YOU will serve….. REPENT…. yes REPENT!
Sad to say, but i do not believe Mr. Haggard has a true view of real repentance. you turn away from your sin not make excuses for it and demand everyone else feel sorry for you
O ya…. for all the posts about “Judging”… Jesus himself said to jUDGE by the inward and not by the outward…. and we are to jUDGE the things within the CHURCH… so as long as our own eyes are CLEANED OUT…we should jUDGE the things of the church…..yes judge…..may decisions…be MEN OR GOD….. real men with jugdge with a righteous judgement…..of GOD…through JESUS…
NO MORE WIMPY CHRISTIANS….stand up for God…like real men…and women…
holly says:
June 21, 2010 at 11:25 pmSad to say, but i do not believe Mr. Haggard has a true view of real repentance. you turn away from your sin not make excuses for it and demand everyone else feel sorry for you
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WOW Holly, you hit it on the HEAD! O…feel sorry for me….I’ll kinda repent..but not really….o ya…DON’T Judge me….Ted is on a bad road…and still hasn’t repented…. I do PRAY for him…but let’s tell him the truth also…. HE IS LIEING…..and just because there are sinners in our churches….doesn’t make exscuses for TED or any of us…to sin then lie…then sin again…and then go back to deceiving the people…
TED: REPENT…. thanks Holly….may God Bless his OWN….
Cmon Ted, The End of the Religious Right? Religion for those people is a divine sanction for their hatred of human life.
The Religious right forms a very necessary cover for American ignorance and hate. “I hate you because:your different”, is a very basic, reptilian brain sentiment. And thats where religion can play a key role. According to your typical religious conservative God hates: fags, black people, spanish speakers, Muslims, The United Nations, people who live in cities, Democrats, black people again, women, the poor, the working class, immigrants, environmentalists, The “Mainstream Liberal Media”, University professors, people who read too many books, Secular Humanism, Philosophy in general. In addition, outside of America, God hates France, and pretty much the rest of the world, which includes the whole filthy socialist continent of Europe, Africa, which is full black people, And Asia is even worse, containing Indian idol worship, Muslims, and Heathen Chinese. Its Us v. Them, and without a Religion, Conservativism is doomed to be exposed for the extremely selfish, backward and ignorant dogma it is.
Forgive me if I missed it but you didn’t provide a link to Ted’s Twitter feed. That would seem appropriate if you’re going to make a story out of his tweets. Incidentally, I really think Ted Haggard has been demonized far beyond what he deserved. I found Alexandria Pelosi’s documentary on him very moving. He’s not an evil man, nor was he ever a rabid homophobe. Hypocrite, imperfect, sure but I think the above tweets demonstrate the real person.
[...] Ted Haggard thinks so. This is from his twitter feed. [...]
The bible say’s in Hebrews, chapter 10 vs. 26 “If anyone sins deliberately by rejecting the Savior after knowing the truth of forgiveness, this sin is not covered by Christ’s death; there is no way to get rid of it.
Simply put: It is unforgivable!
I found Alexandria Pelosi’s documentary on him very moving –Ian – Ted is good at doing that.
[...] 3) Ted Haggard predicts the end of the Religious Right. While I admire his unabashed foresight, I am mildly disconcerted by the fact that he issued this proclamation seconds after dismounting from a male prostitute, exhaling a dense cloud of meth smoke, and wiping a droplet of man juice from the corner of his chin: (LINK) [...]
I am surprised at myself to actually agree with Ted Haggard. As a former Catholic and current Atheist, I’m not sure the “religious right” will ever really go away, but I’m glad that a long time Christian pastor finally sounds like he’s reading from the Gospels (you know, the Christ part of the bible) instead of the “eye for an eye” Old Testament.
Matthew 7:1-2
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
The Love Reformation? That sounds really……..GAY
Elwood, in order to be a Christian, you must live and preach from both the old testament and the New testament. You cannot compromise on either. It is all from God. Jesus never spoke on certain things because they had ALREADY been discussed by God in the OT. What Ted is doing here is drumming up an income from weak-minded people who could care less about seeking God and more about following Ted. This is just another black-eye for the Christian community.
I don’t know what the religious right is. Please explain how you see this. I am a traditionalist with values based on teachings in the Bible. I am called part of the religious right by the media. However, if I believe in the Bible how can I be “right” or “left?” I am just a believer who has faith in Christ and his teachings. Being a traditional Christian and being called part of the religious right is slapping the foundation of this country on the back side. It seems to me a way to “control” society by pejoratively labeling those who do not believe in the new teachings of abortion, fornication, adultery, homosexuality and lying as the new “norms.”
As far as my experience with Christians has been, “Christian” is just a label people apply to themselves to announce to the world that they’re good and above everyone else. In reality, every single hard-core Christian I’ve ever had the displeasure of knowing has been more selfish than average, hypocritical, judgmental, small-minded and unable to think for him or herself.
IDon’tNeed, From the looks of it, you probably have a problem getting along with almost all people in this world, be them Christian or not! No one is good, not ONE. This includes Christians, as God has put it. So all of those false things you just called Christians are totally backwards. Seems that the true problem you have is with you. But yes, God still loves you!
This is a open letter to Ted haggard
In the book of Revelation Jesus commended the church of Ephesus for “testing those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.” Jesus also said “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them”
So examining your fruit I have some concern about you. If i am in error please correct me, explain my error to me.
1 You did not submit to church authority by not completing your restoration. For years you preached on chain of command, submitting to those in authority above you and when it came to be your time to do so you did not.
2 You continue to lie I have two examples of this if I misunderstood please correct me. I read this in the news paper “Some of his counselors said Haggard promised them he would not start a new church in Colorado Springs. When the couple held prayer meetings in their home last fall, the Rev. H.B. London, who chaired Haggard’s restoration committee, expressed disappointment.
“When you think of the ethics of that, it, to me, just defies explanation,” said London, a vice president at Focus on the Family in Colorado Springs, at the time.”
You not only broke your promise but lied. Second example you said this about Nancy Pelosi “As we were going through this time of pain, we received word through Alexandra that Nancy was communicating to us, words like, “God is bigger than this.” She would repeatedly [say], “My mom wants you to know that God is bigger than this.” The House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office had issued this statement “The Speaker and Ted Haggard never met and they never spoke. The Speaker has never talked to her daughter, Alexandra, about Mr. Haggard. This account is simply not true.” Again maybe I am misunderstanding the situation
3 I Timothy 3:1-7 gives us the qualifications for a pastor lets look at these requirements and see if you meet the standards, again if I am wrong please show me my error. Above reproach ? NO Faithful to his wife? NO Self controlled? NO Good reputation? NO World speaks well of him? NO . You also drug the name of Jesus and the Church threw the mud and by your actions continue to do so.
Your long time friend C Peter Wagner said this about you leading a church again “He said in his letter to his congregation after he was fired that he is a liar and deceiver,” Wagner said, adding that because Haggard didn’t finish the restoration program, he’s not fit to preach.- C Peter Wagnerr
I beg of you to repent, rember what you taught on repenting “ repent is the most positive word in the Bible” I love you my dear friend and I am verey concred that once again you are surrounding yourself with people who only agree with you and you have no true accountability.
There is an outpouring of the Holy Spirit that has started across the world. Love is the way that He will show the rest of the world what our LORD & SAVIOR Jesus Christ is all about. I belong to a church that accepts people in their jeans and sweatshirts. The only time I have seen a shirt and tie was at a funeral and it was the man in the box wearing them. I had my doubts that Ted could change but I am so glad I got to see the show with him and Gayle on TLC and the love was evident in him and his family. May the LORD bless & protect the Haggards & may He show them His favor & give them His peace.